A world with no religion

[Denim]

i was just reading the religion thread and it got me thinking
im a christian and all but dont you think some of the biggest arguments in the world are over religion i know religion gives some ppl peace of mind believing that something else is to come when they die.like me i dont want to think we die and thats it THE END...but say there was no religion dont you think our world would change dramatically?

 

[Nitz]

ummm I think you have this in the wrong thread... this is NOT a suggestion... more like a debate.... MOVING THREAD.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

If religion was never created, then yes, I truly believe our world would be better, but now, if it was just taken away, there would be about 5.9 billion people in tears.

I hate religion with a passion. It is the cause of wars, slaughter of millions, and true racism and prejiduce.

 

[kyuzo]

First of all if there was no religion the world would be in utter chaos our laws that we use today are founded from the Ten commandments and don't blame religion for the heart of men.religion or no religion men will be still cruel animals unless they change their hearts and stop with all the wars and prejudice towards one another.Hmph...some people use religion to hurt,some use it to heal.I guess it all come down to the person or peoples in this world to change.....and by the way I'm also a Christian.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

First off, the so called Ten Commandments come from ancient Egyptian religion.

Secondly, yes, man has a great evil within him, but if it wasn't taught how to hate, which is what religion did, it wouldn't have made such contraptions of torture.

Last, but not least, the main cause of war for 16000 year was religion. Do you have any idea how many people have died due to religious disputes?

Trillions.


And, oh yes, religion spawned such men as the world feared.

Christian immigrants from Europe slaughtered 1.25 million Indians.

Spanish immigrants slaughterd 15million 'mexicans', and forced all the survivors to become Catholic.

 

[kyuzo]

Man I don't know where you get your facts from but the Ten Commandment
did not come from the Egyptian it came from the Jews

And hate,men had that in their hearts since the being of time men wold kill
over a peice of meat,like I said it depends on the persons nature to be
violent or a pacifist.



Life,Death thats a thing we all will meet some day.saying that religion cause
all the problems on earth is a little much.people use religon as a tool
for wars an excuse to fight just like you're useing it to dislike religion
because all the death that happened within the life span of mankind
people dispute over anything.for instant the war on Iraq the U.S went
to war with them for nuclear devices saying that they had weapons
of mass-destruction.many people died and I wept for them.I'm not
a fortune teller but I can predict that as long a men has bad will in their
hearts people will continue to die over disputes.

and religion didn't spawn men that the world feared can I bet you're
referring to Adolph Hitler.that man was a sick individual he was a
perverted christian using christianity to fund his own ambitions
he was a racist who hated the Jews and was all about himself and his
self righteous indignation.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

I don't know where your brain is, but obviously it's not in reality. The 'Ten Commandments' do from Judaism, but it's based of a system of absolute laws the Egyptian Pharaohs believes to be absolute.

Hate is a man made thing, yes, but it is not natural in ourselves. We killed for meat, you say. Thats called desperation. Hate is taught. You don't just randomly feel hate towards someone, do you? NO! You learn to hate them, either by media, parents, religion, or the person you hate themselves.

Religion is not the source of all of our problems, just most of them

 

[kyuzo]

Hahahaha.....mine brain is more in reality then yours but we'll find out
who's right some day .and lets stop with all the feeble
putdowns my friend thats a little childish

your facts are probably right in whatever book you studied
I bet it's the encyclopedia am I right,well I studied Biblical history
I read lots of studies on the old Hebrew manuscripts with a wise bible
scholar I'm not a brain in the field of the biblical studies,but I am
well learned,what I'm trying to say is your fact are your facts mines
are mines.what information you have about the Pharaohs or whatever
and the Ten Commandments is right in your circular books
you're an atheist so you got the right to be an unbeliever.


Hate......hmm...hate I guess you just taught me to hate you *evil glare*
hahaha...just kidding man you know I don't hate you just trying to lighten
the mood a little.Anyway hate is natural in us its an emotion a very
strong emotion that we all have to deal with.there's quite a few
emotions that leads to hate like jealousy for one how about sadness
those are emotions that can lead to hate,what was that famous
quote "jealousy leads to anger,anger leads to hate"I'm not sure if I said
it right well that doesn't really matter do it. the point is we do not learn to hate
we have are on mind we're not puppets we have freedom of will we're not
bound by the media but parents on the other hand I have to agree with you
a little but it still stand on one thing the persons heart if the parent or
parents taught their children the right way the world would probably
been a better place right now,but the fact is you can't tell a person
how to raise their own kids its sad cause some teaching their children
how to hate a person for thier religion or nationality and
religion wise Christianity,Buddhism those are the religions that don't teach
hate and if you dare say that Christianity teaches hate your solely wrong
Jesus teached love and compassion for mankind never hate.

Religion is not the source of all of our problems, just most of them

Okay! I think you are contradicting your self my friend you say that religion
isn't the source of all our problem but it seems like you think its the case
in all the other post you written.

I hate religion with a passion. It is the cause of wars, slaughter of millions, and true racism and prejiduce.

See what you said right here that make me think you think that religion
is the down fall of the human existence thats it's a plague on the
entire world.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

Hate is not an emotion. Hate is a thought.

And right for me, oi? And right for you? I studied hard, and as many facts as I could find. Not just from a book, but from everywhere. It is a fact that the 'Ten Commandments' are based of Egyptian beliefs.

I am a child, and I act childish. Blah.

No, I am not contradicting myself, Religion causes a lot of problems, but all of them? Not even close. Man is what makes most of the problems.

I do think it is the down fall of humanity. Christianity most of all, no offense. Even more than Islam.

 

[kyuzo]

My friend hate his a emotion.okay what do you feel when you hate someone
rage am I right,now why do you say hate is a thought,don't get me
wrong you can think about hating someone,but its an emotion nonetheless
just look it up in the dictionary my friend an see what you find

okay back on the Ten Commandments huh?well I like I said I've studied
Biblical history for a while so I know what I'm talking about do you?
fast look up of fact don't make you smart learning and studing
all point of the facts do my child.so learn and study both sides of the
stories before you say something.

I can see you're still adolescent so study hard not to be a naive person
I hope you grow up to be a respectable man/woman some day
and see the truth for what it is.

And you truly are contradicting yourself with the remarks you stated earlier
thats you said and I quote.
"I hate religion with a passion. It is the cause of wars, slaughter of millions, and true racism and prejiduce"
see you are saying that Christianity and other religions of the world
cause all the chaos the world has and you are sore wrong

You are so naive to think that of christianity you will see one day
how wrong you are but I hope you realize the truth some day
I would like to tell you more but there's a saying"don't throw your
pearls before swine"It means don't teach to a person
with a closed mind. I wish not to debate any longer but I'll leave you with
one of my favorite passages from the Bible


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

I have studied both sides.

Ancient Egyptian hyroglyphs*spelling?* translated have been read as a more barbaric, but none-the-less accurate foretelling of the later laws of religion, known as the Ten Commandments.

I am young, not naive.

Hate is not an emotion.

Anger, jealousy, envy, happiness, sadness, aggression, pity. Those are emotions.

Hate is a learnt thing. You cannot hate unless you are taught how to. Thereby, making it a thought, or action, or belief, but not an emotion.


I am not contradicting myself.

I said that religion causes those problems, and then I later said religion doesn't cause 'all' the problems.

Those reasons I listed, slaughter, racism, prejiduce, aren't the only problems in the world.

I am not contradicting myself, sir.


Yes, men can be evil. I am not denying that. But why did Christians hate Jews, and Muslims? Because they were taught to. They were told by man that these people were wrong, and they should die by the will of God.

Men can be cruel, such as it is, without being taught hate.

But we call it cruel because they do it for a purpose.

I call people names, not because I hate them, not because I am ignorant, and not because I am naive; I do it because I enjoy it.

Is it cruel, in some peoples eyes, yes, is it mean, also, maybe. But to me, it is just how I am.

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, the three biggest religion in the world, have shed more blood than anyone ever. Is that every persons fault? No.

But, still, today, these religions do nothing for the good of human kind.

The Pope has a ring. That ring, a material possesion, I might add, could be sold, and with the money earned, you could buy every man, woman and child in Africa, who has no source for food, a years worth of meals, clothing, and even education. But does he do it? No.


I do not hate all Christians, or Jews, or Muslims, only the stupid ones.

I have been taught how to hate stupid people. I didn't just start hating them.




Look at all the wars over the city of Jerusalem. Jews had it, Muslims took it, Christian took it. All of them have taken it by slaughtering the previous conquers.

Look at the slaughter Islam has done to non-believers. It is a crime to not believe in Allah, according to Muslims. At least Christianity and Judaism have both taken away that belief.

Look at what the Jews did to everyone.

But that is the past.

Let's took at it today, in present time.

Islams have gone insane, and may begin soon be able to actually back up their threats of a world converted to Islam, or death to all none-believers.

Jews have basicly dissapeared, due to Hitler, and also Muslims.

Christians have spread their word to almost half the world, and most of it was by force.

Now, 90% of Christians under the age of 18 are not given the choice to believe in God. Their parents choose it for them.

Rape of little boys.

All kinds of crap.

But if I said I hated every Christian, I would be naive, and close-minded. But I do not. I have very intelligent Christian friends, and I love talking to them, not debating or arguing, but learning about why they believe in God, and what the Bible teaches.

But me, personally, I will take science, which can be proven, over a unlogical being such a God, or Gods, or Goddesses.

Now, before I post again, I want to say this.

I do not think I am always right, nor do I think I am 100% right in these posts. But the way I speak my opinions, and beliefs, makes it seem like it. I am a very open-minded person, just very stubborn. ^_^

 

[Crimson]

Hm, I really like what you said about the three largest religions being the ones who have shed the most blood. I, as well, have some close friends who are a part of the Catholic community. These friends of mine though, are not the ones who are close-minded. They accept gays freely; do not follow their religion strictly by the 'book'. A book which I will always believe had been created by a couple of men who had nothing better to do in their spare time. Why would this God create human beings, and not allow them to be gay? Why? Because that's 'his choice'. 'His choice' is to not let anyone of the same sex marry? Why create this person then, if that's how they'll turn out to be?

I only started to change my views recently. I've been Catholic for most of my life; but all these problems going on with the Catholic church made me change my mind on their beliefs.

 

[The Laughing Man]

I'm Catholic, and I believe in God. But I don't believe in all this stuff in religion. I don't go to church or read the bible 24/7, and I don't care if your gay or have sex with condoms or whatever. I think thats a bunch of bull.

 

[Katsu]

I agree with everything that Kyuzo-dono said on the first page....God gave his only Son to come and save us at the cost of his life...that is a big sacrifice...and some of us can't even believe in him...I don't read the Bible all the time nor do I go to church all the time but I still pray and have faith in Jesus and God...and a world without religion would not be a world at all...everyone needs something to believe in..some believe in truth, others believe lies..so umm yeah...and I'm a Christian..and I'm willing to do anything for God no matter the cost. My views will never change.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

I believe in science, and the human race, as a whole.

You cannot prove Jesus was a real man, so you cannot say, "God gave his only Son to come and save us at the cost of his life...that is a big sacrifice...and some of us can't even believe in him"


Of course we can't believe in him. There is no proof.

 

[QueenOfDeath]

Of course we can't believe in him. There is no proof.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

A world without religion...it could never happen. Though you could do away with organized religion such as Christianity, Islam etc, you could never stop people's inherent beliefs.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

That was sarcasm, btw.

People believe what they are told to believe. We formed religion/beliefs off the simple question, "Where did we come from."

Ever since we learned how to communicate, we've asked this question. And so, in my opinion, people formed religion so they wouldn't have to feel so alone.

Also, yes, we need to believe in something, such as ourself, 'God', science, and so on. But we make guidelines, like what we should do with our lives, because many a human is easily susceptible.

But 'religion', if it was never formed in the first place, I think we would be better off.

 

[QueenOfDeath]

Zidarri...I don't deny that religion is often the cause of war, prejudice and other negative things, but if it was not religion that divided us, it would be something else.

In this world, religion is all some people have. This can be especially true for those in third world countries and those struggling just to get through each day; religion is a great source of comfort and peace of mind. I know I'd never want to take that away from anyone.

 

[Daemon Sadi]

I said, in a an earlier post, not to take it away now.

I said if it was NEVER formed, we would be better off.

People in third world countries should commit suicide, so they don't procreate, and cause more deaths, and more suffering. ****ing idiots.

I could care less about people so weak they need to believe in something to survive. It's quite pathetic, really.

Religion has done very little good compared to the evil it has caused. The pope could stop the suffering of MILLIONS by selling his 'material' possesions, but no. Men are greedy creatures, even the popes.

 

[QueenOfDeath]

Yes, I'm well aware of the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Church, especially since 4 popes have died during sexual intercourse. I'm not trying to say religion is flawless.

In my opinion, it's near impossible to ascertain whether the benefits of religion outweigh the negative aspects. It's always easy to ignore the small things that religion does, all the charitable deeds. The negative aspects can sometimes be down to individuals disobeying religious guidelines. For example, if all Christians followed the Ten Commandments, the world would probably be a better place, however, the fact is, they don't.

And I also said, that religion not being formed in the first place, is inconceivable to think of.